Braves win but Teheran struggles, and trade rumors may start again

Braves starting pitcher Julio Teheran throws in the first inning of a game against the Cincinnati Reds, Sunday. Teheran allowed seven runs and 11 hits in five innings. (AP photo)

The Braves won Sunday in Cincinnati, continuing to do what they’ve done most of the season: keep everybody guessing. Ender Inciarte, who went 0-for-6 Saturday, went 5-for-5 with five RBI and the Braves won a series in Cincinnati for the first time since 2009, defeating the Reds 13-8.

So a road trip that began 2-5 finished with consecutive victories. The Braves will now come home and play 18 of their next 21 games coming at SunTrust Park, beginning with four against the cellar-dwelling Philadelphia Phillies (18-35).

That’s the positive news from Sunday. The negative was Julio Teheran.

He entered the season as their obvious No. 1 starter. He was coming off his second All-Star season in three years and was expected to be the one successful constant in the starting rotation. But he has struggled most of this season and that continued against Cincinnati. He was given a 9-2 lead in the third but allowed five runs over the fourth and fifth and left the game after allowing seven runs and 11 hits in five innings.

Teheran’s earned run average ballooned to 5.40. His career ERA entering the season was 3.39, including 3.20 last year. But he has allowed six or more runs in four of his last nine games, during which his ERA is 7.23.

This is not the work of a staff ace. So two questions: 1) What’s going on with Teheran? 2) Is it time to seriously consider trading him?

As for the first question: Teheran has talent but the Braves have often been concerned about his mental toughness. That’s why former pitching coach Roger McDowell, a tough coach who excelled at game preparation, was so good for him. Teheran has slipped this season with McDowell gone. Whether you believe those two things are connected probably depends on whether you agreed with general manager John Coppolella’s decision to fire McDowell (many in the organization did not).

As for the second question: Maybe. I’ve always opposed the Braves’ trading Teheran in the past, whenever his name has been mentioned in rumors (which is often). His contract wouldn’t be an obstacle in a deal: He’s signed through 2019 with a club option in 2020 and his salaries are manageable ($6.3 million this season, then $8 million, $11 million and $12 million in the years that follow).

The problem is that while Teheran retains value, his stock is obviously low now. And what if he flourishes elsewhere. Do the Braves give up on a pitcher who’s only 26 years old and as recently as 2014 posted an ERA of 2.89?

I still lean toward keeping Teheran, especially with the Braves being so thin in starting pitching at the major league level. But don’t be surprised if trade rumors with him heat up.

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58Supersports
58Supersports

I'm glad RM is gone. Julio is a head case, checking back, he has had a excuse for everything that's happened to him in last 4 years.

I would trade him if I could get something of value to make Braves a better team.... not class A players.

Braves need a #1 catcher, 3b with power and "D" and of course Starting pitchers, Closer!

Flower can hit but 3 for 29 throwing out runners is a joke...Suzz is great #2 catcher. Go Braves!

UnbiasedObserver
UnbiasedObserver

Yes.   If they are serious about making a run at a wildcard.


And Colon (except no one will take him).


And get some bullpen help.


Im betting this GM and Admin dont do much at all however.

joedavis
joedavis

Trade him, for a bucket of balls.  Any pitcher who gives up two runs to the first two batters, followed by his team giving him a 9-2 lead that he cannot hold, is not worth having on a big league roster.  What will he whine about this time?

Jacket Detective
Jacket Detective

Coppy traded Alex Wood, now a pitching star for the Dodgers, while putting together a one year pitching staff that sucks.

And while we are rebuilding, we sure have an old team.

The Braves won't be really good until 2020.

Maybe.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@Jacket Detective Woody has been impressive this year, but he is on the DL again with shoulder stiffness, the same issue that limited him to 10 starts and only 60 innings pitched in 2016.

Career stats with Dodgers  30 starts 12-10 record 3.40 ERA 58 BB and 175 K.

College Park Guy
College Park Guy

@Buschleaguer @Jacket Detective What are Hector Olivera's career stats?  Horrible trade.  I see no use in trading JT now.  Value is super low.  If the Braves really want to move him for something of decent value, he will have to put together 2-3 consecutive quality starts.  

Jacket Detective
Jacket Detective

You know what's funny.

All those super expensive seats at STP have no canopy protection when it rains.

But the cheap seats do.

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

McDowell? He had one 18-game winner (Huddy) during his tenure here, while Minor, Hanson, Medlen, Beachy and Jurrjens all went down to injury.

Time to deal Teheran while teams like the  Astros, Mets, Reds, etc. scramble for starting pitching.




Jacket Detective
Jacket Detective

The Mets are having the same argument.

Who to blame for the pitching injuries.

As did the Cubs of Price and Wood.

Don Sutton thinks pitchers are started too young working mainly on fast ball speed.

He thinks they are not taught the thinking side of pitching.

And maybe not a good change- up either.

neutral site
neutral site

@SaveAmericaFromItself

Don't think I can blame RM for the injuries. Know what I do wonder, though?

Who is calling the game, and how much does that impact what our pitchers do? In other words, if calls come from the  bench, or are made by the catcher, or come down to the pitcher.

Does make you wonder.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@Jacket Detective Trade Teheran ,throw in Colon and his BobbleHead dolls and maybe get case of Game Balls in return.Seriously, maybe Coppy can arrange a trade with the SOX for Jose Quintana,who is also having a poor start to the 2017 season 2-7 5.60 ERA. Quintana was a hot commodity in the off season ,but has 4 years left on his contract (37.85 Million) .It would likely take Julio plus a couple of Coppy's prized mid level prospects.

patriotdog
patriotdog

First, 'era of 2.89 as recently as 2014?' That's three seasons ago. Bartolo Colon was effective three years ago.

Trade him, he's peaked.

Second, don't think for a second,that Coppy does anything without Hart's approval.

Third, the franchise will be mired in mud until someone with lots of cash buys them.

Toby Allen04
Toby Allen04

Coppy fired the well regarded McDowell because he needed a scapegoat for all the damaged goods 'future aces" that he traded proven players for.Of course the little twink was just dumping payroll under Liberty's orders, but the "building for the future" scam they are pulling is losing it's luster. Cant wait for that August 1st lineup.

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

The Braves are going nowhere this season and it would take a massive infusion of talent to land them in competition for a playoff spot next season. Anyone should be available for the right price, but I would hope that isn't more deep minor league prospects and AAAA batting practice pitchers.

moboman
moboman

@DawgDadII Including Freddie.  Adams is bashing the ball, and Freddie cant stay healthy.  If someone offers a top flight major leaguer and the numbers work,  do the deal.  Love Freeman, but business is business.  Not for prospects, but for an equal young star at a position of need.

CowbellHell
CowbellHell

@moboman  Boy I'm really glad you're not our GM, you have to start building with SOMETHING dude... who in the heck are going to take for the best current hitter in baseball hmmm?  And he just got hurt this year, not sure where you're getting 'cant stay healthy' from either.  Freddie's the only untouchable on the team unless we get 3-4 front line starters for him period.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@CowbellHell @moboman i think everyone on the 2017 Braves is expendable except Freeman , Inciarte and probably Swanson. I'm sure that Hart and Coppy have already started talking to other clubs about who is available at the deadline.


moboman
moboman

@CowbellHell @moboman I knew I would get bashed for the comment,  but what I said was it would have to be star for star, and at a position of need.  Not just any deal.  Im talking just short of Trout.

jmccoy1252
jmccoy1252

@moboman @DawgDadII You are out of your mind. Matt Adams is hot right now, but he is no Freddie Freeman.  Also, he can't hit Lefties and he is not near as good as Freeman defensively.  If you want to turn off the fan base, trade Freeman.

jmccoy1252
jmccoy1252

SunTrust Park is obviously in Tehran's head.  Now he is beginning to struggle on the road.  Two pitchers come to mind when I see Tehran.  Jair Jurrigens and Tommy Hanson (RIP).  I say if there is a taker, then trade Tehran.  He is not an Ace and never has been one.  I will agree with one other thing, getting rid of Roger McDowell was a mistake.

BetterDog
BetterDog

The Braves are going to get closer and closer to 1st Place.  It's gonna be harder and harder to trade anyone.  Snitker is going to sit Dansby down a little and play Comargo.  And this Santana might have to play a lot more.  He looks like a good pickup.  Snitker needs to get 7 innings out of these starters from now on.  Big City is catching fire.  Ender and Kemp look great.  Flowers should be the MLB All Star catcher.  Go Braves!

RogerBurke
RogerBurke

please trade him before he blames it on a injury


mgunter
mgunter

BetterDog.......that was clever!

Bahahaha

neutral site
neutral site

JT would make a good No. 3 starter for a contender.

He would also benefit from being surrounded by other quality pitchers.


In short, I can see him being trade bait, as the Braves' staff is quite weak.

BetterDog
BetterDog

There have been some strange trades made in Baseball History.  Why don't we trade some of the knucklehead sportswriters at the AJC?  Trade them for a case of bats and some pine tar. 

TruthSpeaketh
TruthSpeaketh

He's overrated! Not a #1 or even a #2. Maybe actually he is #2!

Archangel
Archangel

Actually, I would be surprised if rumors heated up. What I'm not surprised about is you trying to create drama when there is none. "Rumors may start again" is your snake oil snake.