Short takes: Carroll also had turf toe, would’ve been out 3-4 weeks

The Hawks' DeMarre Carroll gets a handshake from head coach Mike Budenholzer who begins to pull his starters in the final period of a 118-88 loss to Cleveland, which completed a sweep in the Eastern Conference Finals on Tuesday. (Curtis Compton/ccompton@ajc.com)

The Hawks’ DeMarre Carroll gets a handshake from head coach Mike Budenholzer who begins to pull his starters in the final period of a 118-88 loss to Cleveland, which completed a sweep in the Eastern Conference Finals on Tuesday. (Curtis Compton/ccompton@ajc.com)

By now you know the Hawks were drilled in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference finals 118-88 Tuesday night and were swept out of the series by the Cleveland Cavaliers. To go to MyAJC and read the column on the game, click here.

Here are my three “Short Takes” on the game.

1. THE REAL STORY ON CARROLL’S INJURY: DeMarre Carroll was ineffective at both ends of the court in the series because the Hawks said he was playing on a sprained knee. In fact, the situation was worse than that. Carroll told the AJC he also developed turf toe so he could not put any pressure on his left leg or get any elevation. “That’s why I kept getting shots blocked,” he said. If the injuries had taken place during the regular season, Carroll said, he probably would have sat out three to four weeks. But surgery will not be necessary. Carroll will become an unrestricted free agent but left the door to a return to the Hawks, pending negotiations with them and other teams.

2. SHOOTING WOES: The Hawks’ three-point shooting continued to suffer Tuesday night. They were only 5-for-32 (15.6 percent) from outside the arc in Game 4, 26-for-111 (23.4 percent) in the series and 145-for-458 in the postseason (.317). This was one of the top three-point shooting teams during the season at 38 percent, led by Kyle Korver’s 49.2 percent. But Korver hit on only 35.5 percent in the playoffs before he got injured in Game 2.

3. FRONT OFFICE/PR FAIL: Speaking of Korver, coach Mike Budenholzer said his shooting guard, who suffered an ankle injury in the second game, will undergo surgery in New York Tuesday. This announcement came two days after the team denied post-game comments from Carroll that Korver would have surgery and be out for four-to-six months. Strangely, even while the Hawks finally acknowledged the surgery, they refused to say what the surgery was for — or even what body part it was on. So it appears the organization not only has a problem with honesty but discerning what subject is really worth lying or evading the truth. I mean, what’s the possible reason for not saying, hypothetically: “Korver has a torn ligament in his ankle”? From now on, I guess we should just get our Hawks medical reports from DeMarre Carroll.

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45 comments
farberboy
farberboy

Steve Koonin is no Danny Ferry.

farberboy
farberboy

Dellavadova or whatever his name better get what he deserves. 

Wilbo
Wilbo

Every day this blog is still topped by this moldy ol' post, so I'm thinkin, "Hmmmmmmmmm, please tell me they fired this dimwit, no-talent jerk!"

Peachs
Peachs

A very depleted team but worse very beat up which makes a precision offense look awful. Like it or not they are in the top 4 in the NBA on the way up not like Cleveland depending on the greatest basketball player of our times who has a shelve life.  Stick with em Atlanta and don't believe a thing you read these guys are selling news not reporting it. 

Wilbo
Wilbo

"On the way up"

Horse hockey.

And if you really think the Atlanta Hawks are somehow in a better position than the Cavaliers, you are completely n absolutely nuts.

Wilbo
Wilbo

Why his this useless jerk not written another column? I hope to hell the AJC fired his boring hackneyed untalented butt!

Clint_Reno
Clint_Reno

Why do the Hawks act like the best is yet to come? You think the Cav's next year playoff run will be missing Love and Erving again? Don't think so. Hawks had them for the taking and failed.

itsslomotionbaby
itsslomotionbaby

well if its true id say go after a big with that money first if we only hav 28 mill. then we want have a chance of signing milsap orcaroll.or we could gamble on tevares, he can pay devidends if he can just deter a few shots.then I would go after carol and replace milsap with green

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

Enjoyed following this group of Hawks players this year. Now, though, I'm rooting for a total implosion of the ownership. They handled the Ferry situation abysmally, with the total lack of class and professionalism and respect for people and each other we've come to expect from them.

JSSN
JSSN

Awww. "The Pop Way" finally showed its ugly side in the ATL. With the good, there is always some "bad."

Jeff Schultz, any news of how they are going to handle their free agent and draft meetings with the hopeful final approval of the ownership change? When will they make some kind of decision on the fate of Ferry?

DawgNole
DawgNole

@JSSN

Don't you just love the way AJC's staffers are so responsive to their readers?

Of course, it's only been 3 days. I'm sure he's working hard to get you some answers.

freezboy
freezboy

yOUR ARE AN IDIOT SCHULTZ...WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO HAND YOU A STORY...PUT SOME HAIR ON YOUR HEAD AND GET OUT THERE JUST LIKE THE REST OF US...THEN I MIGHT SUBSCRIBE

KatieR620
KatieR620

Big thanks to Demarre for giving all he had especially with so much to lose.


Really appreciate the effort.

joatl
joatl

I cant be too down on the Hawks. Best season in their atl history. Sap was not 100% going into the playoffs, Korver was knocked out, Carroll was hobbled and shouldnt have been playing and yet....games 1 and 3 without horrible officiating would have been won. Even game 4 hawks mailed it on after the initial no calls by the refs on the dirty vegemite. They could have been better with a shot or two, they should have signed a big by the tradeline...and yet, they were right there with the queen and the cavs the first 3 games. I am proud of the hawks and know we are a piece or two away from winning it all.

Wilbo
Wilbo

@joatl I hate to tell you, Silly Dreamer, but when a team barely squeaks by 2 weak teams, and then in the weak Eastern Conference gets absolutely smoked in the Finals they are nowhere near winning it all, and there is no way in hell "a piece or two" would make them even close to being the best team in the NBA.


The Hawks got STOMPED, dude, weren't you watching?

Roymus
Roymus

Another Atlanta team joins the loser's pantheon (Braves, Falcons, and any number of hockey teams), and the excuses flow like water.  I keep hearing about what a hero DeMarre Carroll was for playing with a sprained knee (and turf toe, as it turns out).I like DeMarre and think he should be resigned, but he stunk it up last night.Here's what I don't get:I can understand if a superstar like Michael Jordan or LeBron James is playing hurt, because those guys are better hurt than most starters...but DeMarre Carroll is not a superstar.He's a very good player, and he'll undoubtedly get paid now that he's a free agent (by another team, most likely), but he wasn't even a regular starter for most of the season, was he?Since when is a hobbled DeMarre Carroll better than a healthy Mike Scott or Bazemore, or Schroeder?You're not a hero if you're costing your team production.  Same goes for Millsap, who was apparently playing hurt too. 

Wilbo
Wilbo

@Roymus Can you say..... "General stupidity and panicky, ill-thought out decision making by the team"?


Our little coach was great for the regular season, but he was WAY WAY WAY in over his head in the playoffs.

KatieR620
KatieR620

@Roymus outside of Pero,  Mike Scott was easily the worst player on the floor in the playoffs.

Worker
Worker

I guess the great #21 will blame this on Ferry. What kind of trades will the human lowlight film produce?

Atlanta Man's Peachtree
Atlanta Man's Peachtree

Wow, Sgt. Schultzie at it again. I zee nuzink. Where is the outrage at Auzzie Rules Football being played in the NBA? Where is the outrage at the level II foul against Horford? All you got is a complaint about surgery details not being announced. Booo Hoo. Seasons over dude, and a good journalist would use their space to write about malice a forethought, that would be intent to do harm to you Schultize. Instead of looking forward, all you do is complain, complain and complain some more. Now I can't wait to see how you mangle the Braves. 

Wilbo
Wilbo

Question: How can you keep Korver on this team and have fans believe you are serious about winning in the postseason?


Answer: You can't.

Wilbo
Wilbo

ANOTHER Atlanta hallmark - a complete postseason collapse & thrashing.


We've seen it all WAY too many times before

Lobosolo
Lobosolo

@Wilbo Wilbo... I'd bet you're at the bottom of all you do for a living.... whining is for aholes...

slydawg
slydawg

In all fairness, without a working GM and tentative ownership at stake, I would not have expected the Hawks to have the "administrative" portion of their organization set up in such a way to answer pesky questions from the media concerning injuries, off-season priorities, sports information, etc. At this point, the inexperienced "at least in these matters" Coach Bud had other things in his mind. Ask them again later this week, give them some time to breathe and think, and you just might get better answers.

MikeS777
MikeS777

Also, great season, Hawks!  Like I said in my other post, this team is well ahead of schedule in only year two.  Coach Bud took a team many thought might not even make the playoffs, pushed Indiana to 7 in year one, and set franchise records here in year two.  I can't wait to see what the future has in store as they continue to build this team.

MikeS777
MikeS777

According to ESPN, the Hawks are about $23 million under the cap with the current team for next season.  That's not going to be enough to sign both Milsap and Carroll.  They expect Milsap will command close to a max contract deal since a lot of teams have money to spend.  Carroll won't qualify for that, but estimates run in the 4 years $50 million range.  That's still a lot of money.  I think the Hawks have to let Milsap go get his money.  They need more inside help, and won't get it resigning him.  To me that leaves them with two options:

1)  Resign Carroll to a deal similar to the 4 years, $50 million.  That will leave them with $10 million or so to go and try to find some size to replace Milsap and get bigger.  Unfortunately that means cheaper bodies which probably means less talent.

2)  Let Carroll go, and save the cap money for a rim protecting talent or some other star big man.  I'm not sure I would go for Lamarcus Aldridge, but he is an option to go with Horford.  If Brook Lopez opts out of his final year in Brooklyn, he would be a great target.

Honestly, this Hawks team is well ahead of schedule in rebuilding, so I would lean towards option 2).  Yes it would mean this team might not be as good next year, but the last thing we need is to get salary locked with a team that definitely has big holes to fill.

HeyThere
HeyThere

Still a great season even with the disappointing end. If they can keep the team together and make a run next year they'll have more experience and be better prepared.

hardworkinman
hardworkinman

Antic has to go. He's not helping the Hawks in any way. I'm on the fence with Milsap. He disappeared in the playoffs and is going to demand a lot of money that might be more wisely spent on a couple of players. I would like to see Carroll back. He is a gamer and anyone that plays hurt has my respect.

MikeS777
MikeS777

@hardworkinman Both Antic and Brand did nothing for them in the last two series.  Antic is a three point shooter who cannot protect the rim well on defense.  Brand is on the back end of his career and it shows.

WAITUNTILNEXTYEAR
WAITUNTILNEXTYEAR

Taken to the woodshed, humiliated, exposed.  Hawks didn't quit, they just weren't very good.  The two pieces I'd keep going forward would be Coach Bud and Jeff Teague.  I'd back the bus up on the others.

creative
creative

That's a good idea. Just start from scratch again with a team that made it to the ECF. I feel bad for your friends and family.

Wrecker
Wrecker

The worst thing about being swept in the ECF is not the games themselves.  It is that the idiot trolls come out of the woodwork and spout inanities.

Lakeside97
Lakeside97

The Hawks lost 2 games to a garbage Nets team because of the refs.

-Hawks fans

Pinball34
Pinball34

Hawks "PR" went down the crapper when Arthur Triche was relieved of his duties...
Time to right this wrong.

barnouin
barnouin

@Pinball34 ARTHUR TRICHE:  BELOVED AND RESPECTED FORMER HEAD OF PR FOR HAWKS FOR 22 YEARS. NBA"S FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN HEAD OF PR I FIRED BY "HE HAS SOME AFRICAN BUT I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A BAD WAY" DANNY FERRY.


Dawgsandbones9
Dawgsandbones9

And to the people out there that wonder why it's hard being a fan of ANY team in my home state of Georgia....SEE...

Korver shoots 15% under in playoffs

Hawks get taken to 6 against two teams that won 25 games less than the Hawks

Hawks choke in 2 home games, in the playoffs, in games with 2 starters out on the opposing teams

Hawks lie about the severity of an injury to a starter for NO REASON AT ALL, then look like dumb arses when a teammate reveals it, and automatically alienate that player because he spoke the truth

The Hawks have the best record in their conference, home field advantage, and choke it away just like the Falcons did against Green Bay AND the NY Giants...the only teams that kick butt for homefield yet when the playoffs start, choke away all the toughness and good comments from others they earned by choking when it matters most

Beat writers stating that antic needs to be retained...are you kidding? Sefolosha needs to get healthy and they need to sign a true center that can rebound, or they won't make it back to the finals, EVER.

creative
creative

Get a job or a life. Which ever one is easier. Living life vicariously through sports teams is pathetic.