New rankings make college playoff look like a set up

Committee has neatly set up “East” and “West” semifinals. (collegefootballplayoff.com)

Committee has neatly set up "East" and "West" semifinals. (collegefootballplayoff.com)

Committee has neatly set up “East” and “West” semifinals. (collegefootballplayoff.com)

While Georgia coaches are out recruiting this week, Georgia Tech coaches and players are preparing for Saturday’s ACC championship game against Florida State. As Tech coach Paul Johnson, never one to miss an opening, said Tuesday, “It’s kind of neat that somebody else is getting beat up instead of us for a change.”

For more on the unusual situation of Tech being center stage on the local college football landscape, click here.

On another subject, the next-to-last college football playoff rankings came out Tuesday night and they left more questions about what the rankings committee is thinking than any other week. Also, while Tech moved up five spots to No. 11, the chance of them maneuvering into a playoff spot even with an upset of Florida State looks close to zilch.

Here’s the rankings:

RK TEAM RECORD
1 Alabama 11-1
2 Oregon 11-1
3 TCU 10-1
4 Florida State 12-0
5 Ohio State 11-1
6 Baylor 10-1
7 Arizona 10-2
8 Michigan State 10-2
9 Kansas State 9-2
10 Mississippi State 10-2
11 Georgia Tech 10-2
12 Ole Miss 9-3
13 Wisconsin 10-2
14 Georgia 9-3
15 UCLA 9-3

Some thoughts:

1. FSU is being jobbed: I know nobody outside of Tallahassee likes the Seminoles and they’ve had to come back to win many of their games late against mediocre competition. But to be dropped three times by the committee (they once were ranked first) because of unimpressive wins is absurd. Just imagine the uproar locally if this was Georgia or Georgia Tech. The Seminoles are the only remaining undefeated team from a “Power 5” conference, yet they’re ranked No. 4. Something is wrong with that.

2. FSU’s ranking hurts Georgia Tech: If the Jackets pull an upset, which is a possibility, they will have beaten a No. 4 instead of a No. 1, 2 or 3 team. That’s increased justification for the committee to not move Tech into the top four. The committee basically has FSU as a playoff bubble team right now (again, absurd). So that’s one way the Jackets’ went from a long shot playoff team to almost zilch. The second …

3.  FSU’s ranking hurts Georgia Tech (Part II/conspiracy): If Tech pulls an upset, the ACC likely will not have a playoff team. So ask yourself this, conspiracy theorists: Does that affect the chances of a fairly officiated game Saturday in Charlotte?

4. This looks like a setup: It would make sense that that the committee (read: television) would want relative East and West brackets in the semifinals. That’s the way it sets up now. No. 1 Alabama would play No. 4 Florida State, and No. 2 Oregon would play No. 3 TCU. If FSU (or Alabama) was ranked second or third, that wouldn’t be the case.

5. Georgia Tech summary: If the No. 11 Jackets win, they certainly would leapfrog No. 10 Mississippi State and No. 8 Michigan State (neither of which play). They also could pass the loser of the Baylor-Kansas State game. But outside of that, the Jackets need total mayhem to make the playoffs, maybe starting with Missouri beating Alabama and knocking the SEC out.

6. The Big 12 issue: I don’t see how Big 12 teams can be weighed equally with those from other conferences because, first of all, their name is a lie (there’s only 10 teams) and, more importantly, they don’t have s conference championship game. I certainly don’t see how TCU can leapfrog FSU last week based on a win over 6-6 Texas. The week before, TCU beat 3-9 Kansas by only four points (34-30). So the committee doesn’t count that against them?

 7. Pacific 12 might be the most secure conference: If Missouri upsets Alabama  in the SEC championship game, the SEC may not get a team in the playoff. The conference feeling most comfortable in that respect is the Pacific 12, because No. 2 Oregon plays No. 7 Arizona. Even if the Ducks are upset, there’s a good chance Arizona would replace them in the top four. Urban Meyer probably isn’t happy right now because there’s a chance the No. 5 Buckeyes win the Big Ten championship over Wisconsin and don’t get in.


A recent writer’s dozen from the digital jukebox
— MyAJC: Rare situation: Eyes are off Bulldogs and on Jackets
— MyAJC: Tech’s Bobinski finally stops stalling with Johnson
— AJC: Georgia Tech finally offers Johnson contract extension
— MyAJC: Finally, a real football team named Falcons shows up
— AJC: Falcons’ short takes: Devin Hester says officials admitted mistake
— MyAJC: This Georgia season was just another big tease
— AJC: Georgia ‘short takes’ on loss to Georgia Tech
— MyAJC: As Georgia loses SEC title shot, Tech suddenly has higher ceiling
— AJC: Missouri wins SEC East — will it affect Georgia?
— AJC: Weekend Predictions: Dogs win, Falcons lose, toys devolve
— AJC: Tech’s Johnson long overdue for contract extension
— MyAJC: Tech’s season a loud response for Johnson’s critics
— AJC: First-ballot thoughts: Smoltz should join Maddux, Glavine
— AJC: Georgia vs. Georgia Tech: Which team has had better season?
— MyAJC: Gurley’s injury should prompt change in NFL draft rule
— AJC: Weekend Predictions: The straight poop–Georgia wins SEC East, Falcons lose
— AJC: Is Braves’ pursuit of Lester realistic?
— AJC: Braves trade Jason Heyward and John Hart just took huge risk
— MyAJC: It makes no sense but Falcons are in first
— AJC: Short takes on Falcons’ win over Panthers
— MyAJC: Dogs have a statement win, now hope for best with Gurley
— AJC: Short takes on Georgia’s win and Gurley
— MyAJC: As hoops open, Tech looks far more ready than Georgia
 

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ColtFan4Ever
ColtFan4Ever

It was a setup that backfired. The Committee tried everything in their power to put Alabama in  the best possible position to get to the National Championship game. Here's how. Fla State should have been ranked #1 period. I don't care how they won, how many times they had to come from behind, period. They were the only undefeated team in the country, AND the defending National Champs. You put them at 1, then they play Ohio State, which would have placed them closer to home than to go way out west to the Rose Bowl to face #2 Oregon (Which was basically a home game for the Ducks). But you place Alabama at #1, against a #4 Ohio State team with a 3rd String Quarterback in the Sugar Bowl (Trust me the committee looked at all of this), which was basically a home game for the tide, giving Alabama the best possible chance to get to the championship. They did not expect Ohio State to pull off the upset yesterday. It backfired. 

NotDisappointed
NotDisappointed

Well, this is a little depressing as a Jacket Fan, but a good read regardless! 

Ramblin Wreck!

ChipShirley
ChipShirley

COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF BRACKET CHALLENGE ALL ENTRIES MUST BE POSTED ON THE INTERNET BY 9PM EST 12-5-14 BEFORE THE START OF THE 1ST CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. ONLY ONE ENTRY ALLOWED BY LAW.
RULES:
PICK AND RANK TEAMS BY CEDE 1-4*
PLAY 1 V 4 AND 2 V 3 AND PICK WINNERS**
PLAY FINAL TWO AND MAKE A PICK.***
PICK THE MARGIN OF VICTORY.****

*RECEIVE 1PT FOR EACH TEAM PICKED IN THE TOP 4 AND 1PT FOR EACH TEAM CEDED CORRECTLY.
**RECEIVE 1PT FOR EACH CORRECT WINNER REGARDLESS OF CEDES.
***RECEIVE 1PT FOR A WINNING PICK. REGARDLESS OF CEDES.
****RECEIVE 1PT FOR PICKING THE EXACT MARGIN OF VICTORY REGARDLESS OF CEDES OR PICKS.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WINNERS WILL BE CALCULATED BY ALL ENTRANTS!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SAMPLE ENTRY BALLOT-

1. ALABAMA
2. GA TECH
3. TCU
4. OREGON

W. ALABAMA
W. TCU

W. ALABAMA

W. 17PTS
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://thesecrules.blogspot.com/2014/12/college-football-playoff-bracket.html

Tusky01
Tusky01

None of that matters. GT lost to NC and Duke .....end of discussion. FSU will play in NO instead of Pasadena where they would get rolled by Oregon....They should just thank the committee ! Everyone starts with the same record in a playoff ( see high school playoffs). FSU just needs to win out and then there is nothing for Jeff and the other sports writers to wine about. 

MMc109
MMc109

I agree, this is a NCAA regional finals set-up. I am not a FSU fan; but how can a team that was the undisputed national champion last year, and is the only undefeated Div. I BCS school this year, be ranked #4? They obviously should be #1 until they are beaten...I think it is obvious what the order of the top four really is:

1. FSU

2. Alabama

3. Oregon

4. TCU


Hopefully, a few upsets this weekend will force a change in the fake committee rankings and foil the NCAA's obvious "regional" semi-final plan. I thought the purpose of this playoff was to determine a real #1, not tinker with the match-ups for increased national TV ratings and enhanced revenue. You don't fool us; NCAA, what a sham!

dawgfacedboy
dawgfacedboy

Until you take the element of human vote out of it we will continue to argue. When they finally decide to model an NFL type playoff system we will continue these subjective arguments. It's really nothing more than opinions driven by past success and media coverage.


Win your division- bye

2nd in your division (loser of the championship game, and yes you have to play a championship game) plays week 1

2 slots for At-Large losers like Notre Dame or Boise St, etc.


Done.


Delbert_D
Delbert_D

@dawgfacedboy "When they finally decide to model an NFL type playoff system"

The best way to achieve that is for the Power 5 to reassemble into a "league" of 4 conferences, 16 teams each. Forget the past. Go ahead and pay the players. Schedule only league games. Might as well let the NFL fund it.

Delbert_D
Delbert_D

Of all the possibilities being tossed around, the one that's most obvious hasn't been discussed. That would be Arizona beating Oregon again.

housedivided
housedivided

The objective is to find #1 in the pool of 100+ teams. Of the 1-4 selected, as long as the best team is in that group, the selection committee's job is done. If the best team is in the top 4, they will win the playoff no matter who the other 3 are. In the past, only 2 were selected to hopefully fishout the best team in the nation, now its 4. Twice the the odds of finding the true #1. The rest of the rankings are really just for giggles and bragging rights.

FootballTopFan
FootballTopFan

CONGRATULATIONS to Jim McElwain new Head Football Coach for the Florida Gators !!!

creative
creative

That photo looks like the newspaper men in Citizen Kane

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

When the playoffs were announced, I got excited. I thought the Dawgs would be a lock to at least be in the NC conversation in November with four teams in the mix. Then the reality of another season with CMR set in. Since he is entrenched, let me be the first to support an eight team playoff. No, that wouldn't help! Let me be the first to support a sixteen team playoff. 


There you go. UGA would finally be relevant under CMR!

FootballTopFan
FootballTopFan

The College Playoff Committee has a very, very difficult job in picking the football teams to play in the initial playoff games !!!


One CHAMPION from the Big Ten, SEC, PAC10, ACC or Big 12 will be left out of the hunt for the national championship.


There will be a lot of grumbling from the conference omitted if teams have similar records.


We wish the selection committee good luck in picking the RIGHT four teams.

ARdawg
ARdawg

Tech has no chance. Is it possible that when FSU beats Tech and struggles like they have against others, could they fall one more?

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

@ARdawg

Two fallacies with your post: 

1.) Tech has no chance.  If talking about VaTech you're correct.  But I'm sorry to inform you but GT has a chance. 

2.)  If FSU beats GT it's possible they fall one more.  NO.  Sorry to inform you, again, but a 13-0 team from a Power 5, AND THE ONLY UNDEFEATED TEAM IN FBS, is not getting left out of the top 4.    

POAD2014
POAD2014

@ARdawg where do you work with that Rocket Science Degree you have? hey, and Super Size my Fries MUTT.

gcrowe1
gcrowe1

Jeff I wouldn't say Zilch in regards to landing the #4 spot.


GT > FSU = passing FSU, Mississippi State and Michigan State = GT #8


Wisconsin > Ohio State (3rd string qb) = GT #7


Oregon > Arizona = GT #6


K-State > Baylor = GT #5


This is where it gets interesting and we have no clue what the CFP panel will do.


Will they put an 11-2 outright conference champion GT over a 10-2 co-champion K-State? GT will have won three consecutive games against teams ranked no worse than #18 while K - State lost by 21 to a team they may potentially play again in the CFP should they make the top 4. I don't see them wanting to see that matchup again potentially and I do not see them passing a GT team with one more win and an outright title. Granted my above would have to happen but tell me which of those couldn't happen? Wisconsin is favored and so is Oregon. Just need K-State to win against Baylor who looked less than impressive last week.


The other wildcards and I don't bother listing them because I view the chances of it happening slim to none are Bama losing or TCU choking against Iowa State. BUT crazier things have happened.


GO JACKETS

he_of_stinky_wind
he_of_stinky_wind

@gcrowe1


Even if GT beats FSU, no way they jump into the mix.  FSU is vastly overrated, yet they continue to win against good, not great comp.

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

@midtowncowboy @gcrowe1

November 29, 2014:  GT 30  UGA 24  OT.   You gotta get over it, cowboy.

If GT beats FSU they have a shot.  A lot of "chips" would still have to fall the correct way, but it's REAL, GT has a shot at the CFP if they beat FSU.  

Only 360 more days until your shot at redemption, so step back from the ledge. 

peachstealth
peachstealth

The playoffs need to expand to 8 teams. All 5 P5 conference champions, the highest ranked G5  champion, two at-large. No more than two teams from any conference. 

PigIron
PigIron

Georgia was never going to make the CFP this year with their 2 losses, but you AJC guys kept writing articles telling the fans that they had a chance. Georgia Tech has a chance to defeat FSU, but they aren't going to the CFP either. Is that because of a tinfoil hat conspiracy, or because they lost to Duke and North Carolina and squeaked past Georgia Southern?

According to the AJC, it's definitely a conspiracy. Nothing else could possibly explain it.

ARdawg
ARdawg

@PigIron There wasn't anyone believing that crapola either but the AJC guys

50Concept
50Concept

fsu--undefeated in a bad conference filled with creampuffs, barely beating a bad florida team, bad miami team,falling to #4?  nothing "wrong with that"

PJ25
PJ25

@LostBurro The conference might not be all that compared to the SEC West, but the SEC East isn't any better than the ACC this year.  If it weren't for the SEC West, college football would suck overall this season.  The East needs to drop some teams and at least bring FSU and Clemson aboard (not that it would happen). 

230grFullMetalJacket
230grFullMetalJacket

@Andy123 @LostBurro  I'll gladly put the ACC against the SEC West AND East, except for ONE team. The SEC has been a joke riding on Bama's coattails for several years now. Their OOC record against teams from the 5 power conferences is anything but impressive. But the trailer park dwellers can't comprehend the fact that just because a team is in the SEC that doesn't mean they're any good. The SEC is on the decline (except Bama), while the ACC is on the rise. Deal with it dwags!!!!!

POAD2014
POAD2014

Is Monica Lewinski Available to VOTE?

maps_retired
maps_retired

WAKE UP AMERICA



there is no way in hell there can ever be a fair Collegiate Football champion. the old 'mythical' AP and UPI listing were opinions at best and that's where is should stay. ANY system concocted will have draw backs . and THERE IS NO NEED just fanatical lust by football junkies wanting something that CAN NEVER BE period. Football at the collegiate level is not  a fit for playoffs too many teams too many leagues too many conference blah blah blah. Unlike basketball where 2 or 3 games can be played every week by a team football doesn't work that way. GO BACK TO THE OLD BOWL SYSTEM  and argue and debate your 'champion' till your face turns blue. Ya'll did that before the BCS, during the BCS and you will after these playoffs. while my alma mater will never be invited to the playoffs or bcs or any other concoction devised to find a national championship that does not come in to play.


WHAT IS OBVIOUS IS that ANY system, poll or  rating will be FLAWED and never be fair to all comers. the best that could happen now is Aladambama lose and the SEC get shut out of the playoffs, can you hear the howls, the screams the sheer pandemonium . 


MAKE CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS AND ATHE bowl games  be the reward for your season. these playoffs will no more settle whose the best than the BCS or the AP poll.


the football junkies want something that is NOT POSSIBLE,  but they and the sports news channels will clamor for more and more attempts longer seasons (for STUDENT athletes).


GIVE IT BREAK please  I can't take the hilarity any more my side hurts


let the NFL set up minor leagues and get football in college back to a reasonable level for student athletes NOT FOR ENRICHING schools, athletic directors, coaches etc. it's become unsightly.


While I enjoyed attending games and rooting on my school team (I got to see Jack Lambert and Don Nottingham 'the human bowling ball' play) I see NO benefit in this 'gotta have a national champion'.


totally unnecessary

TOTALLY UNNECESSARY



HAVE fun complaining after the rankings come out


PS not to just go after Aladamnbama but wouldn't it be great if ALL FOUR of the playoff leaders lost.

ah can only dream.



BigTimeJacketFan
BigTimeJacketFan

This is being set up to go to eight teams as quickly as possible.  Plain and simple.

420 bulldwag
420 bulldwag

does anybody think for an instant that had bama eek'd out a bunch of wins ala fsu

-while being not only the reigning NATIONAL CHAMP but

-UNDEFEATED in 27 games

-with the HEISMAN winner at qb

ANYBODY HAVE ANY DOUBTS THAT BAMA WOULD BE CONSENSUS NO 1 NOT  A WEAK NO 4? 

as paul said. the game is rigged.  as with everything else these days.... its time to level the playing field.

420 bulldwag
420 bulldwag

how about i bring up the 'C' word regarding the integrity of this group?????


condoleezza rice is neither a fb expert nor anybody anyone would associate with the words integrity and honorable!  as far as i am concerned the qualifications of the committee started and ended with the C word.

Delbert_D
Delbert_D

@420 bulldwag 

I disagree. I don't think Rice would be as likely to be involved in graft and corruption (payoffs or bribes) as a bunch of sports media people, for example. The committee is a mix of people who I tend to trust and some that I tend not to trust. That is probably the best that can be expected.

creative
creative

@420 bulldwag Have you had a conversation about her football knowledge?  I'm pretty sure there was an interview process and she was selected for her knowledge of the game and her brains. Do YOU know more than her?

Nowayjose9
Nowayjose9

Gt moved up 5 spots last week beating the 9th ranked dawgs.

I believe 3 teams ahead of them lost. Ucla, uga and miss st. 

So if they beat the 4th ranked team, why couldn't they moved up 7 spots when at least 3 more teams will lose and two are idle. The key game imo is ohio st losing which i think happens. 

That would be 4 teams ahead of gt losing. 2 are idle. So that's a move up of +6 spots. Will the committe really put in the baylor k state winner ahead of a team that won it's conf champ game and beat 3 top 20 teams in it's last 3 games? I don't think so.

Delbert_D
Delbert_D

@Nowayjose9 

It's pretty clear that the committee is penalizing, if that is an appropriate word, ACC teams due to a weak conference and weak out-of-conference games. FSU dropped a spot when they beat Miami, and dropped another spot when the beat Florida. FSU had a decent OOC sked, with Oklahoma State, Notre Dame and UF. It was not apparent that those three were not going to be considered "signature" wins when they occurred.


Georgia Tech can now claim only Clemson and UGA as significant wins. I doubt if Tech will get a big boost in (if) beating FSU based on Tech's three weak OOC opponents on their schedule, and what the committee would see as FSU's continuing decline.

Mulk
Mulk

@Delbert_D @Nowayjose9


@Delbert,


UGAG moved into the top 10 even after losing to the same Fla. team by 20 and FSU drops after beating that team??? And, whoever is ranking these schedules is doing a piss poor job. You can look at almost any team and ask the same questions: Who are their significant wins? Who did they play OOC?


Bama?

Missy St.?

CBell1027
CBell1027

@Delbert_D @Nowayjose9 Problem with your argument is that the ACC played more big 5 conference games OOC than any other conference (17), won more (10) and had the 2nd highest winning percentage behind only the Pac-10.  You can argue a lot of things but weak out-of-conference schedule is not one of them.


ball 1959
ball 1959

I will be so glad when all these championship and bowl games are over so we can hear about Jawga is  going to be the next national champs. They will be #1 through Aug.,then, they have to play.Wonder who the 4 will be that spanks that fanny next year?    RollOn

Nowayjose9
Nowayjose9

One other thing, it would look really stupid for a team to make the playoff and possibly win the championship and be considered the best team when they couldn't even win, much less play in their own conf champ game.